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Alkadian wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:24 pm @ flynnsbit,

I am having a lot of fun in playing all my favourite old windows games! I have been testing many games and they all worked straight out of the box!

Just to report something that perhaps is meant to be working like that. Anyways, every time I reboot the Mister I get an error message as per the attached picture. After hitting the reset button in the menu I can get the Windows 98 Boot screen, as expected.
Thanks!
Are you using the boot and Top 300 VHDs that came with the pack? You shouldn't be ever seeing the runtime error or getting it unless something is missing or corrupt. You can try editing a couple of files and saving them. on E:. EDIT TDL.INI, and then save it. EDIT HANDLERS.INI and then save. That could be left over from a bug in the Converter where github was adding unix characters at the end of the file. just editing them and saving can correct. Weird that yours would work every other time though.

If this doesn't fix it. I am interested in your configuration. In the mister menu, 256MB of memory, 90 Mhz, L1 and L2 cache on?
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flynnsbit wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:38 pm
Alkadian wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:24 pm @ flynnsbit,

I am having a lot of fun in playing all my favourite old windows games! I have been testing many games and they all worked straight out of the box!

Just to report something that perhaps is meant to be working like that. Anyways, every time I reboot the Mister I get an error message as per the attached picture. After hitting the reset button in the menu I can get the Windows 98 Boot screen, as expected.
Thanks!
Are you using the boot and Top 300 VHDs that came with the pack? You shouldn't be ever seeing the runtime error or getting it unless something is missing or corrupt. You can try editing a couple of files and saving them. on E:. EDIT TDL.INI, and then save it. EDIT HANDLERS.INI and then save. That could be left over from a bug in the Converter where github was adding unix characters at the end of the file. just editing them and saving can correct. Weird that yours would work every other time though.

If this doesn't fix it. I am interested in your configuration. In the mister menu, 256MB of memory, 90 Mhz, L1 and L2 cache on?
Yes, I am using the boot and Top 300 VHDs that came with the pack.

After editing/saving those two files I only get the prompt blinking cursor and nothing more. After hitting reset I get the Windows 98 Boot Menu.

Yes 256MB of memory, 90 Mhz, L1 and L2 cache on.

Many thanks for looking at it.
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Good news! I think I have sorted it out!
I have just removed an image mounted under IDE 1-0 *.VHD,ISO.CUE

That seems that did the trick. I have rebooted the Mister several times and I have managed to get the Windows Boot Menu correctly.
Thanks!
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This pack is just awesome, thanks again flynnsbit! The only thing (that I have tried so far) I can't get working is the version of Monkey Island with CD Music and SFX. The game is running fine but there's no music or sound effects playing for me. The floppy version with adlib and VGA works great so no big deal.
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Thx eXoFlynn,just tryed it,fantastic work,thx again.
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I couldn't agree more! I have spent all last evening/night..lol..testing these so nostalgic yet great games! One more time thanks again @flynnsbit for this excellent collection!
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charmless wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:34 am This pack is just awesome, thanks again flynnsbit! The only thing (that I have tried so far) I can't get working is the version of Monkey Island with CD Music and SFX. The game is running fine but there's no music or sound effects playing for me. The floppy version with adlib and VGA works great so no big deal.
Hey Charmless. I had the same issue as you regarding the Secret of Monkey Island startup option #7 (CD Audio) producing no sound. However, if you want an amazing version of Monkey Island - with a bit more setup to do - than you can run startup option #8 (Full Talkie w/ MT-32 music). This will get you full voice audio, but the catch is that you need either MT-32 hardware OR emulation (MUNT) running. MiSTer does technically support running MUNT along with AO486 (Enable UART mode with the following settings: Connection (MIDI), Midilink (Local), Type (MUNT).... however, MUNT is fairly demanding and chops and stutters a bit while running some songs in Secret of Monkey Island (such as the main theme song). But, if you have another computer available to run MUNT outside of MiSTer, and your MiSTer is connected to your home network, you can send the MIDI data out of MiSTer over the network to your MUNT emulator and get very high quality audio that way. There is an easy guide to "Setting Up Remote Midi Emulation on Windows" here on MiSTer forums. Since you will have audio from two sources simultaneously (MiSTer and your Windows PC), you will need to consider some way to mix them. There are lots of options, though, so I won't dive into that here. This obviously requires a bit of extra setup, but the upshot is that if you go this route, you've got the ultimate DOS experience in your hands with MiSTer running the gameplay/digital audio, and your PC running the music/synthesis emulation of otherwise old/expensive Roland hardware. Good luck!
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Thanks for your hard work, what a nice collection.

I am having trouble getting Descent and Descent II to run with a sound canvas. It works fine with other games like Doom or the Sierra adventures, so it is not a problem in general.

Descent crashes when I choose the canvas option and Descent II has no music at all. Descent also crashes, when I try to set the GM option in the setup.
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JonnyTenebrous wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:40 pm
charmless wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:34 am This pack is just awesome, thanks again flynnsbit! The only thing (that I have tried so far) I can't get working is the version of Monkey Island with CD Music and SFX. The game is running fine but there's no music or sound effects playing for me. The floppy version with adlib and VGA works great so no big deal.
Hey Charmless. I had the same issue as you regarding the Secret of Monkey Island startup option #7 (CD Audio) producing no sound. However, if you want an amazing version of Monkey Island - with a bit more setup to do - than you can run startup option #8 (Full Talkie w/ MT-32 music). This will get you full voice audio, but the catch is that you need either MT-32 hardware OR emulation (MUNT) running. MiSTer does technically support running MUNT along with AO486 (Enable UART mode with the following settings: Connection (MIDI), Midilink (Local), Type (MUNT).... however, MUNT is fairly demanding and chops and stutters a bit while running some songs in Secret of Monkey Island (such as the main theme song). But, if you have another computer available to run MUNT outside of MiSTer, and your MiSTer is connected to your home network, you can send the MIDI data out of MiSTer over the network to your MUNT emulator and get very high quality audio that way. There is an easy guide to "Setting Up Remote Midi Emulation on Windows" here on MiSTer forums. Since you will have audio from two sources simultaneously (MiSTer and your Windows PC), you will need to consider some way to mix them. There are lots of options, though, so I won't dive into that here. This obviously requires a bit of extra setup, but the upshot is that if you go this route, you've got the ultimate DOS experience in your hands with MiSTer running the gameplay/digital audio, and your PC running the music/synthesis emulation of otherwise old/expensive Roland hardware. Good luck!
Thank you! I have Munt installed on my computer so will definitely give this a try.
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Chris23235 wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:06 pm Thanks for your hard work, what a nice collection.

I am having trouble getting Descent and Descent II to run with a sound canvas. It works fine with other games like Doom or the Sierra adventures, so it is not a problem in general.

Descent crashes when I choose the canvas option and Descent II has no music at all. Descent also crashes, when I try to set the GM option in the setup.
" Soundblaster is the default unless audio worked by default out of the eXoDOS v5 collection." From the first post. Sorry, I did not go through the other sound options from ExoDOS nor did I try and fix anything for those. You can probably run the setup and select other options, but you are getting into rocky waters with those options and the ao486 core. Some games don't even like Pro/SB16 or even General MIDI on 330. If you do find a config that works by running setup, you also need to overwrite the cfg file in the sc55 or mt32 sub directory with the one you create or the startup script is just going to overwrite your version again.
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Great pack. Wondering why when trying to start SimCity 2000, I get the following error message and it seems to have frozen:
"Drive not ready error reading drive F
Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail"

I have gone into hardware => and set "Yes" to IDE 1-0 CD Hot-Swap. I even set "Yes" to the IDE 1-1 CD Hot-Swap option but same error.

Must be something about mounting the F: drive as I can't seem to start Command and Conquer either (another CD based game). It tells me to enter the CD, yet if I open the menu (windows key + F12), I can clearly see the iso being selected in the IDE 1-0 slot.

UPDATE: if I access the menu, and goto the IDE 1-0 slot where the ISO is automatically mounted, it's not able the find the file. If I remove it manually, then re-mount it manually (to my external HD), it then proceeds with the load.

Hmmmm.
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are you using /games/ao486/cd/ or /ao486/cd/? There is a bug where cd's wont mount if you are using /ao486/ as the root folder.

make sure your path to the cd's is exactly /games/ao486/cd/gamefolder/gamecd.cue;iso;bin

Also, you can't have an ao486 on your sdcard and the harddrive at the same time. remove it completely from the SD if you are using an external disk.
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Thanks, Flynn, for putting all this effort in! I've mostly been following along with your youtube channel and this is all pretty amazing. I was really hoping you'd get to the point of a curated collection, and this one is great.

Ultimately i'm hoping to build a few smaller, custom collections for ppl. ATM i presume the easiest way to do that is going to be by using your 100MB DOS boot drive in this pack, and matching the second VHD structure and separate CD folder. Maybe using the basic converter structure outlined in your vid here - vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVBkEm0lGsI ? Is there any critical linking between the two drives in your pack that i should be aware of?

Sorry to be a pain. I'd be happy with simply manually adding games as described above in this thread, but i'd rather not have the massive list of games that aren't going to work (presuming the setup would even work without them). If this is the kind of thing you were planning to do a video on at some point, then i'm happy to wait. Cheers!
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@buttersoft, yes exactly.

1. The one thing I do that is a bit difficult to understand is there are two partitions not one on the second large VHD. The reason I do this is so that DOS will assign a drive letter to it at D:. So C: is always the OS disk and can be swapped out by people if they want different setups, dos versions, etc. It separates the games from the OS. How you do this is when you are creating your VHD, I just create a small FAT 10-15MB disk first, and then create another one on the VHD with the remaining space (127.XGB) Then when AO486 mounts this you end up with a C: (OS), D: (STUB DISK), E: (GAMES DISK)
Then in the autoexec.bat you will see me run a command "ASSIGN D: = F:" All this does is overwrite the D: stub disk with the F: drive which is the CD drive. There are multiple games that can do one of two things: 1. They can detect the CD drive and find the CD on F: and play. 2: They are hardcoded to use D: from the Exo collection as you can assign any drive you want in DOSBOX unlike in real DOS. So this trick fixes most. If the CD is mounted, you should see the same content on D: and F: if you are using my image, and you have created a D: stub disk in the second VHD. It was a trick, but it works. It does make the initial setup more complicated, but adds a lot of compatibility.

2. Yes. I would and do use the awesome ExoDOSConverter for everything I do. The latest release just release today even includes download on demand from ExoV5. I am working on a better way to update game cfg and ini changes that use github which you could also contribute to.

The Setup script is a hit or miss as it is just blasting through the directories for the games looking for a setup file. You can see that if you edit it.

I do plan to do another video to catch everyone up on all of the changes, workflow, and new stuff. Probably this weekend.
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Thnx for the great pack!
First off a, verry thankfull tot the great work you put in.!

I have a question regarding, "the 7th guest", all is working, but the speech stops after1 or 2 seconds.
I am using soundblaster settings, music does plays fine though.

Iam playing with a RII k18 plus, with touchpad, wich is working fine, for mouse substitude.

In a few other games i have tested, there was no problem with sound or speech. Setup option did nothing. Just an an report hat setup files could not be found.

Someone has a idea?, love to play this with mine wife.
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flynnsbit wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:49 pm @buttersoft, yes exactly.
Much obliged for the tips - the new version of eXoDOS-converter looks pretty slick. You only need to do that first conversion step, and after that it sets up TDL for you, no need for more processing! Your idea to use dummy zips looks nice, i must say. Though i do now need to plan for a slightly larger 32GB SD card for this, rather than 16GB - which is all of a dollar more, so whatever :)
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ExoConverter will do the stubs for you now too, fyi. So basically you only have to create the VHD like above, verify the TDL.ini is set to e:\games and copy it. Then fix a lot of games that don't work :D
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flynnsbit wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:49 pm I do plan to do another video to catch everyone up on all of the changes, workflow, and new stuff. Probably this weekend.
Please do. I’ve downloaded eXoDOSv5, and eXoDOSConverter has had some changes since your last video. My TDL folder ended up being too large for the maximum .vhd size compatible with the ao486 core. I ended up using your eXoDOSv4 .vhd with the “cd” folder I had generated with eXoDOSv5. Some games work but more often they don’t :?
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It should just barely fit so I will run through it this weekend. There are still going to be many script issues that need to be back ported into the converter and that is on me to do. I first need to finish the scripts that allow for uploading changes and pulling down changes to the packs so people dont have to download full VHDs. It is a priority for me. You can easily make it fit by doing a couple of small things:

1. find Links LS and make sure the CD's are not there for the VHD, and if so, just delete it as I can't get that one working yet anyway.
2. search for and *.iso or *.bin (dont just delete all bins because some could be game files and not cds) files and remove.
3. go back to your original zips, sort by file size, and then go delete a couple of the very large games from the list.
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flynnsbit wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:15 am are you using /games/ao486/cd/ or /ao486/cd/? There is a bug where cd's wont mount if you are using /ao486/ as the root folder.

make sure your path to the cd's is exactly /games/ao486/cd/gamefolder/gamecd.cue;iso;bin

Also, you can't have an ao486 on your SD card and the harddrive at the same time. remove it completely from the SD if you are using an external disk.
Thanks! I had properly removed the data from the SD card. But I had kept the /cd directory in the unzipped Top300 directory by accident. Once I removed that directory and had put everything in your exact path - all worked perfectly!!

The only thing I need to make sure is that each time I reboot the Mister, I need to ensure the external USB drive is recognized - whcih usually takes about 30 sec (presumably due to the size).

Thanks a bunch for this pack - it's a great trip down memory lane.
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I'm trying to run ao486 with the VHDs and other images mounted over CIFS. What should the directory structure be in the CIFS mount? I have the mounts set up such that the cd/ and floppy/ directories hosted on my PC are mounted in /media/fat/Games/AO486/ as they would be if they were copied to SD, but I can't get any CD images to mount this way.
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Do you have EVERYTHING in the AO486 folder on the CIFS/NAS?
And have no AO486 folder/files on sdcard/usbdrive on the mister if no then thats your problem.
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I've done all of these things but when I check the image mounted in IDE 1-0, I get a Missing directory error. I have to manually unmount the image, then mount it by navigating to /Games/AO486/cd/ which is now a CIFS mount point. That should be where the mounting script checks for CD images, right?
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Shot in the dark, try this "case" on your folder names: \\mister\fat\games\Ao486\cd
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Psygho wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:55 pm Thnx for the great pack!
First off a, verry thankfull tot the great work you put in.!

I have a question regarding, "the 7th guest", all is working, but the speech stops after1 or 2 seconds.
I am using soundblaster settings, music does plays fine though.

Iam playing with a RII k18 plus, with touchpad, wich is working fine, for mouse substitude.

In a few other games i have tested, there was no problem with sound or speech. Setup option did nothing. Just an an report hat setup files could not be found.

Someone has a idea?, love to play this with mine wife.
Of is working now
Solution, select VSYNC ADJUST 0 , AND use option "hiram"

I used VSYNC ADJUST 2 , because mine OLED has no problems with this setting. So made a second ini file, for fast switching.
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