The result of my search for a great MiSTer display

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The result of my search for a great MiSTer display

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I became a newly minted MiSTer owner over the holiday. Like many of you, I've been thoroughly enjoying the combination of gaming and tinkering that the platform encourages.

Finding the best possible display involves wading through a matrix of tradeoffs, but I've been so happy with when I landed I wanted to share my results in case they can help out other folks on the hunt!

I have my MiSTer mounted in a cocktail cabinet, so I play a lot of vertical / TATE games.

My display wishlist included:
  • Lowest possible input latency
  • Integer scale-friendliness
  • Wide viewing angles
  • Something I could actually purchase in a reasonable timeframe
A big part of me wanted to dive into the world of CRTs, but tube hunting during the age of COVID-19 seemed like a dicey proposition. The ideal display is one that could be mailed to my house without a specialized shipping service.

I found a wonderful ( and remarkably affordable ) option in the Asus ProArt PA248QV. It's a 24.1" IPS panel ( with a 27" sibling ) that looks incredible. It turns out that 1200p WUXGA is a fantastic resolution for classic games! Here are some of the things I love about it:
  • 1200p means perfect integer scaling at 5x for the vast majority of classic games
  • Wide IPS viewing angle works great for cocktail usage
  • Variable refresh rate support means it can perfectly match the weird frequencies of any classic game in low latency vsync_adjust=2 mode
  • 16:10 feels a lot closer to 4:3 than 16:9 does ( much less letterboxing )
  • Can actually be purchased readily for under $200 through most online retailers: https://www.newegg.com/asus-pa248qv-24- ... -_-Product
Needless to say, I highly recommend this display to anyone who loves classic arcade games!

I like to run it with a bright, soft 70% scanline filter. Here are some photos of me running DoDonPachi in its funky 57.4Hz refresh rate natively!
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nice find.
i dont want to limit myself to a single display so ive got a couple of MiSTers hooked up to different displays
smallish crt, largish plasma, a wildly inappropriate massive ultrawide lcd, and have a ipad3 retina on the slow boat (excited to try this one out)
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Two things:

1. Does it support 50hz like Amiga and C64 natively? (No stuttering on scrolling)

2. With the exclusion of DoDonPachi nothing is 240p, but less. I find 1080p with cropping a better solution.
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I have the older model of the ProArt (PA246Q) which I've used for many years. It's also a 1920x1200 display which is a rare aspect ratio.

I really like it, but I recently upgraded to a wider screen for work (3440x1440). I now run my main MiSTer as half of that screen, which is pretty good for regular display and TATE (1720x1440). My ASUS PA is still around, so I might use it for a TATE setup later on.
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Insert Disk Two wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:13 am Two things:

1. Does it support 50hz like Amiga and C64 natively? (No stuttering on scrolling)

2. With the exclusion of DoDonPachi nothing is 240p, but less. I find 1080p with cropping a better solution.
1. I'm not a C64 expert, but I booted up Turrican and took a test video with a dinky webcam. It scrolled quite smoothly to my eye, and the monitor was matched at 50.1Hz.
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2. That is also a good option! I like anything running at integer scale so scanline filters don't cause inconsistencies.

Newsdee wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:17 am I have the older model of the ProArt (PA246Q) which I've used for many years. It's also a 1920x1200 display which is a rare aspect ratio.

I really like it, but I recently upgraded to a wider screen for work (3440x1440). I now run my main MiSTer as half of that screen, which is pretty good for regular display and TATE (1720x1440). My ASUS PA is still around, so I might use it for a TATE setup later on.
That sounds great, 1440 is also a very nice vertical resolution!
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i am also in the camp of nostalgia for CRTs (i have a couple that i use with original consoles) but the upkeep, weight, and inevitable issues with them which require pricey/timely repairs has deterred me to find the best gaming computer monitor.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... /under-200

that has a bunch of solid recommendations for reasonably priced gaming monitors,
and i just picked up the Acer Nitro XF243Y Pbmiiprx for $149 not too long ago.

i cannot say enough good things about the Nitro XF243Y. using it for the short time i have, it has sold me on using a computer monitor for my mister setup, vs a HDTV or CRT. i can run the mister in low lag mode on everything, and the Nitro XF243Y is at the top of the list when it comes to lowest input lag available from modern computer monitors, with .5ms response time and 9ms input lag tested
(https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/48931)

it has worked with everything ive thrown at it, from amiga @ 50hz, to the problematic section-z and double dragon refresh rates, and of course the 1st gen cave titles (dodonpachi) with their non-standard refresh rates.

colors are bright, pixels are sharp, the motion is instantaneous with zero ghosting, and imo the bang-for-the-buck is among the best for a 1080p computer monitor.

i wanted an expensive PVM/PBM or a VGA monitor from the 90s to be my main MiSTer monitor,
but after seeing how well this Acer Nitro has performed, and exceeded my expectations, im glad i didnt spend a small fortune on a PVM/PBM :)
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Any thoughts on this as a Mister display?:

https://www.amazon.com/Eyoyo-Small-Port ... ast_sto_dp

I like the idea of it being simple to rotate for vertical games, and not being chained to a desk with a traditional monitor.
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My experience is that rotation is way less appealing on a 16:9 monitor, with those huge black bars on top and bottom, more noticable than having them on the side. I would look for a 4:3 LCD for rotation.
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I also have a 1200p monitor and i'm very happy with it. But as mentioned by "Insert Disk Two", the games rarely used the 240p resolution but only a part of it.

Genesis games will use 224p resolution, so you won't get a full screen image in 5x mode.... It's a bit frustrating to get 80 lines of black bars. It would be nice to get the crop feature for 1200p resolution too, as they made for 1080p.
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6x cropped would be 180p, that would cut pretty far into the usable area for most consoles and arcades. The crop mode only makes sense for 1080p because of the sheer amount of wasted space, which isn't true for other common panel resolutions like 720p, 1200p or 1440p, which are all multiples of 240p.
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FoxbatStargazer wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:07 am My experience is that rotation is way less appealing on a 16:9 monitor, with those huge black bars on top and bottom, more noticable than having them on the side. I would look for a 4:3 LCD for rotation.
that was my initial thinking too, and i researched the "best" 4:3 monitors some time ago.
the 2 i found recommend the most were the LP2065 or the 2007FP
(which both use the same panels)

i do want to mention the NEC P212 as well, but if youre paying that kind of money for a LCD, $800-$1,000, you may as well get a PVM.
and it has a 8ms response time, and questionable input lag...

now, i have the LP2065, IPS version, and it is a wonderful 1600x1200 LCD monitor and im very sure during its release in 2006, it was a beautiful monitor.
the problem is, a monitor from 2006~2007 definitely shows it age.
the colors are washed out, the response time is 8ms (some sites report 16ms) and the input lag is ~20ms.

again, im sure for its time it was a beast, but current computer monitors outclass it in every way.
and yes, it did satisfy my OCD to see "better" integer scaling in 4:3, and how wonderfully it TATE'd dodonpachi, but my gameplay suffered from using the LP2065.

the difference in image quality and performance was quite apparent the moment i used the Acer Nitro XF243Y Pbmiiprx compared to the LP2065.
colors are vibrant, dynamic range is great, motion is instant with no ghosting, and the input lag is "snappy".

now, i need the best performing monitor for the games i play on the mister (SHMUPS, kaizo SMW rom hacks, fighting games)
but other people may be just fine with a LP2065 or a 2007FP if 4:3 is a must for your setup
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Great pics @RevolvingDork. Although is not a 15KHz crt, monitor images look really faithful. What filter/options are you exactly using? I am testing the external filters and gamma and I am not yet satisfied

I want to upgrade to a 1440p 27” monitor, to fill the vertical space and integer pixel scaling in retro and more actual gaming (480-720p)
Currently I am using a 1920x1080 that gives black borders in horizontal and vertical with integer scaling.. more or less a tiny 31x20 cm image
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jandrogo wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:21 pm Great pics @RevolvingDork. Although is not a 15KHz crt, monitor images look really faithful. What filter/options are you exactly using? I am testing the external filters and gamma and I am not yet satisfied
I have "Scandoubler Fx" set to "None".
The filter I'm using is: "Scanlines (Bright)" -> "Brightness 130%" -> "SL_Br_130_070_Soft". That soft edge really reminds me of a nice, warm CRT.

Another important thing for scanline usage IMO is setting vscale_mode=1 in the INI -- this forces vertical integer scale, so you'll never use vertical interpolation. I really only get bothered by vertical interpolation when using a scanline filter, but your preferences may vary.

One more thing to play with on some console cores are the overscan options. Those effectively alter the vertical resolution you're working with, showing parts of the screen that CRT-bound games never expected to be displayed.

Other folks in this thread are correct that 224p games will have 80 lines of letterboxing on a 1200p display. Those don't bother me in practice, but I totally get that it could be irritating for some.
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