Neo Geo CD

Awestyn
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I have a CDZ as well and the games are great but the loading times are just frustrating.

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I love my CDZ, and it has a permanent display under my TV, but to be honest I haven't used it much in the past year.
If anybody does a core for it, please please find a way to accelerate load times :D

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I spoke with furrtek and I got an idea, instead of doing the ngcd core that it's not really interesting because of the poor graphics, we can implants the ngcd sounds on the aes/mvs rom, it's big works of referencing but it's possible

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Surely it would be simpler to actually implement Neo CD?

The basic framework is actually already in the core.

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Mr^O^BIG wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:54 am
I spoke with furrtek and I got an idea, instead of doing the ngcd core that it's not really interesting because of the poor graphics, we can implants the ngcd sounds on the aes/mvs rom, it's big works of referencing but it's possible

Mr BIG
By far not all games have received cuts in the graphics and some Neo Geo CD games have extra content and scenes. It is not about the audio only.

It is a creative idea but, because of this and historical accuracy, it is not a good idea. They were two different consoles after all.

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Ok no problem, if it's better to have the ngcd core then

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I would love that CD quality audio too. NeoGeo has been my favorite/most played core so far. Really enjoying exploring this library because I didn't have good access to it growing up.

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Threepwood wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:22 pm
Mr^O^BIG wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:54 am
I spoke with furrtek and I got an idea, instead of doing the ngcd core that it's not really interesting because of the poor graphics, we can implants the ngcd sounds on the aes/mvs rom, it's big works of referencing but it's possible

Mr BIG
By far not all games have received cuts in the graphics and some Neo Geo CD games have extra content and scenes. It is not about the audio only.

It is a creative idea but, because of this and historical accuracy, it is not a good idea. They were two different consoles after all.
Exactly, the older games (and smaller) do not have graphical cuts, they are intact. SNK started to do these minimal cuts when games became too big in size, as a resource to reduce the loading times. As the older games are the most nostalgic for me, I’m glad to have a top loader and a CDZ, love them. A NGCD core is very welcomed to the FPGA world. The bonus features, redbook remastered audio and exclusive games are worth it.

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Sorgelig wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 8:31 pm
CD versions have very limited space for graphics. 1MB IIRC. While carts used up to 96MB. So many CD versions had crippled in-game graphics.
NeoGeo is about huge ROMs with massive graphics. CD kills it all.
I'm curious about that, CD could hold up to 650mb of data why did they have to cripple games?

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data from CD must streamed/loaded to RAM and to cut down costs only 7mb of Ram is available on neo geo cd console

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Or if you have a toploader like me,buy a neo geo cd sdloader,and play everything from a micro sd,and i have rev E neo geo cd sdloader,so i kept my cddrive,works fantastic.
I also wanted a neo geo cd core,we will see what the future brings.

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I would rather see console arcade ports like megaPlay, CoJag or Nintendo Play Choice rather than obscure early CD systems with long load times and few exclusive games. If given the choice between a NeoGeo game or the CD version who really would want the CD version. Maybe if you are under the influence and are entertained by load screens you might want the CD version. The NeoGeo is know for it's good animation and fast paced gameplay and that is ruined by limited memory and broken up gameplay by load times.
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I would love to see Neo Geo CD core added to MiSTer! Obscure systems are a perfect fit for this platform. Between the existing work already done to get NGCD working on NeoSD as well as Furrtek's own SD Loader I would think this could be a low hanging fruit for implementation.

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mcj wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 9:44 pm

All of that said, it really would be quite an endeavor and assuredly not an easy one. I do hope to play some Neo Turf Masters CD on the MiSTer someday!
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well. That extra course in Neo Turf Masters CD is what made me reach this thread :)

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redsteakraw wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:09 pm
I would rather see console arcade ports like megaPlay, CoJag or Nintendo Play Choice rather than obscure early CD systems with long load times and few exclusive games. If given the choice between a NeoGeo game or the CD version who really would want the CD version. Maybe if you are under the influence and are entertained by load screens you might want the CD version. The NeoGeo is know for it's good animation and fast paced gameplay and that is ruined by limited memory and broken up gameplay by load times.
Why does everyone go on about load times on NCD? They really weren't that bad!

Tried loading a PS4 game lately?

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retrorepair wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:28 am
redsteakraw wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:09 pm
I would rather see console arcade ports like megaPlay, CoJag or Nintendo Play Choice rather than obscure early CD systems with long load times and few exclusive games. If given the choice between a NeoGeo game or the CD version who really would want the CD version. Maybe if you are under the influence and are entertained by load screens you might want the CD version. The NeoGeo is know for it's good animation and fast paced gameplay and that is ruined by limited memory and broken up gameplay by load times.
Why does everyone go on about load times on NCD? They really weren't that bad!

Tried loading a PS4 game lately?
It is based on what they where compared to. When you have the same game on a cart with near instant loading and more frames of animation waiting a minute in-between matches is excruciating. The NeoGeo CD was a stop gap attempt to bring NeoGeo to the masses without having to buy $200 carts. I understand why they did what they did but if all else is equal you know you would choose the NeoGeo version rather than the CD version. The core we have now has pretty much the whole library in it's best form. This isn't like the PC Engine CD or Sega CD where there are tones of unique and exclusive games for the system or the better versions of the games on CD. Furthermore this is all about retro gaming and what the PS4 does is irrelevant. I can't stand modern console gaming, when you have multi gigabyte updates and installs before you can play your game on disk you are better off just playing on the PC.
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redsteakraw wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:28 am
retrorepair wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:28 am
redsteakraw wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:09 pm
I would rather see console arcade ports like megaPlay, CoJag or Nintendo Play Choice rather than obscure early CD systems with long load times and few exclusive games. If given the choice between a NeoGeo game or the CD version who really would want the CD version. Maybe if you are under the influence and are entertained by load screens you might want the CD version. The NeoGeo is know for it's good animation and fast paced gameplay and that is ruined by limited memory and broken up gameplay by load times.
Why does everyone go on about load times on NCD? They really weren't that bad!

Tried loading a PS4 game lately?
It is based on what they where compared to. When you have the same game on a cart with near instant loading and more frames of animation waiting a minute in-between matches is excruciating. The NeoGeo CD was a stop gap attempt to bring NeoGeo to the masses without having to buy $200 carts. I understand why they did what they did but if all else is equal you know you would choose the NeoGeo version rather than the CD version. The core we have now has pretty much the whole library in it's best form. This isn't like the PC Engine CD or Sega CD where there are tones of unique and exclusive games for the system or the better versions of the games on CD. Furthermore this is all about retro gaming and what the PS4 does is irrelevant. I can't stand modern console gaming, when you have multi gigabyte updates and installs before you can play your game on disk you are better off just playing on the PC.
Well of course CDs will take longer to load than a cart. They aren't loaded at all, they are memory mapped. Apples and oranges. I just think the loading aspect of the NGCD is massively overplayed is all and not nearly as bad as people make out.

Of course the whole library (bar a few unique titles) is cloned from it's big brother but as stated above, a lot of the better titles have remixed soundtracks unique to the CD, art galleries and lots of other nice bonuses. The graphical cuts downs are barely noticeable (honestly I've never seen them and would need them to be pointed out).

Other than just playing ROMZ I think MiSTer is a fantastic preservation effort so you can't just write off a system because you don't think it's worth preserving.

Besides all that, love it or hate it, without the NGCD you'd never have those awesome controllers with the clicky d-pad!

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The NGCD load times really aren't that bad at all, have been playing Metal Slug on mine lately and it's fine. Playing Monster Hunter on the PS4 is way-way-way worse.

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