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Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:06 am
by Ashfall
This core is working really well, your hard work is greatly appreciated.
Would it be possible to add the option "Pause when OSD is open:" (choose on or off) like in the NES core?
My use case is as follows:
I'm using a 2600-daptor d9 to connect a Flashback controller. It works really well like this, but the only way I could figure out how to map something to the Menu button was using the key combination 1+9. It works great to get in and out of the menu with this controller. 1+9 pauses the game on the original console, but now it will no longer pause the game, it just opens the OSD. If you could add that option, 1+9 could open the OSD and simultaneously pause the game.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:46 pm
by mario64
Has anyone installed the new core? I did and games no longer launch. It just sits at a blank screen.
EDIT: For anyone coming from the old core please note that the new one requires a boot.rom file in the Intellivision folder. Currently update_all doesn't yet support getting this file for you.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:52 pm
by Swainy
What folder does it go in? The Intellivision games folder?
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:00 pm
by jca
Swainy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:52 pm
What folder does it go in? The Intellivision games folder?
As a general rule:
Start the core.
Bring up the OSD.
On the left side, in the vertical white band you will know the name to use.
One exception that I know of: Minimig uses the Amiga folder.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:01 pm
by Silverbot
Sorry, I’m new to this, where do I find the boot.rom file? Thanks
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:02 pm
by mario64
Swainy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:52 pm
What folder does it go in? The Intellivision games folder?
Yes
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Intv_MiSTer
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:03 pm
by jca
Silverbot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:01 pm
Sorry, I’m new to this, where do I find the boot.rom file? Thanks
Read the Readme in the Wiki, it tells you how to build it. You are on your own to find the different parts.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:09 pm
by johhenrik
Silverbot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:01 pm
Sorry, I’m new to this, where do I find the boot.rom file? Thanks
Give it a couple of days and update_all.sh will have added this for you, I am sure.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:03 pm
by lamarax
One thing
update_all can't amend, is the fact that these cores need peculiar controllers to be enjoyed as they should.
Here's a gift for you, before the 'bios_getter' script ups to the job
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:53 pm
by Silverbot
Awesome, thanks for your help
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:10 pm
by lamarax
Silverbot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:53 pm
Awesome, thanks for your help
I'd dump the whole Intellivision library/folder in here, but I'm afraid the police would go retroactively after me
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:51 am
by CafeClimber
CartoonDonkey wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:24 am
This core would be perfect with 16 directions for the real Intellivsion controllers. (Another Ultimate PC interface user here, with reproduction Intellivision flashback controllers.) - It's crucial in some games to be able to move diagonally and shoot diagonally as well. Is any further work being done on this core?
Yes, I would definitely love to see 16 directions supported. I'm also using the Ultimate PC interface w/ Flashback controllers. That would help a number of games. I expect this
could be done in the INTV core controller setup.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:53 am
by CafeClimber
Just catching up on the latest updates to this core. Thanks for all the great work, Grabulosaure!
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:24 am
by bazza_12
CafeClimber wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:53 am
Just catching up on the latest updates to this core. Thanks for all the great work, Grabulosaure!
seconded
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:25 am
by johhenrik
update_all.sh is now updated to fix the bios for the new core.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:33 am
by caffeinekid
How do I set all the number controls etc to work, while still being able to use my joypad? Can I set numbers on keyboard and rest of controls on pad? I'm sure I've seen this before but my memory is not what it once was. Thank you.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:07 pm
by Lightwave
CafeClimber wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:51 am
CartoonDonkey wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:24 am
This core would be perfect with 16 directions for the real Intellivsion controllers. (Another Ultimate PC interface user here, with reproduction Intellivision flashback controllers.) - It's crucial in some games to be able to move diagonally and shoot diagonally as well. Is any further work being done on this core?
Yes, I would definitely love to see 16 directions supported. I'm also using the Ultimate PC interface w/ Flashback controllers. That would help a number of games. I expect this
could be done in the INTV core controller setup.
Same here, I'm using original Intellivision controllers via the 2600daptor D9, and it would be great if 16 direction control was supported.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:36 pm
by Ashfall
Lightwave wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:07 pm
CafeClimber wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:51 am
CartoonDonkey wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:24 am
This core would be perfect with 16 directions for the real Intellivsion controllers. (Another Ultimate PC interface user here, with reproduction Intellivision flashback controllers.) - It's crucial in some games to be able to move diagonally and shoot diagonally as well. Is any further work being done on this core?
Yes, I would definitely love to see 16 directions supported. I'm also using the Ultimate PC interface w/ Flashback controllers. That would help a number of games. I expect this
could be done in the INTV core controller setup.
Same here, I'm using original Intellivision controllers via the 2600daptor D9, and it would be great if 16 direction control was supported.
16 directions seems to work for me. When I run handdemo2.itv it registers 16 directions. It is a bit sloppy though, could it be interpolating the extra 8 directions?
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:00 pm
by Lightwave
Ashfall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:36 pm
16 directions seems to work for me. When I run handdemo2.itv it registers 16 directions. It is a bit sloppy though, could it be interpolating the extra 8 directions?
Oh, that would be great if true!
I’m using a version of the core from before it was merged into main, and it appeared to be only using 8 directions in-game.
I haven’t tried with that test rom though, so I’ll have to update to latest and see how it works
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:05 pm
by Ashfall
Lightwave wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:00 pm
Ashfall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:36 pm
16 directions seems to work for me. When I run handdemo2.itv it registers 16 directions. It is a bit sloppy though, could it be interpolating the extra 8 directions?
Oh, that would be great if true!
I’m using a version of the core from before it was merged into main, and it appeared to be only using 8 directions in-game.
I haven’t tried with that test rom though, so I’ll have to update to latest and see how it works
That would be great if you could try it when you have time. I'm new to MiSTer so am not sure if I'm interpreting some things right.
Either handdemo1 or handdemo2 would work. It's part of the JzINtv install, in the examples folder. The only place I found handdemo2 though was in the jzinstall.exe found on the Ultimate PC Interface page.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:02 pm
by CartoonDonkey
Handdemo2 only registering 8 directions here. @ashfall what do you have as far as controller / interface to the Mister?
Using the ultimate pc interface and an intellivision flashback controller I'm only seeing eight directions register: Going slowly around the disc with handdemo2 running, starting at the top, you should see the number 4 (N), continue clockwise pressing the outer edge of the disc ..you will then see a 2 (NE) then a 0 (E), then a Uppercase E (SE), Uppercase C (S), Uppercase A (SW), 8 (W), 6 (NW) - so only 8 directions, not 16.
Maybe this needs to be checked against an actual Intellivision. I could have sworn more positions than that register.
Hrm... more info on this here: Possibly depends on the game?
https://atariage.com/forums/topic/169987-16-directions/
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:13 pm
by Lightwave
Maybe it would be useful to post the handdemo & handdemo2 ROMs here for everyone to test out their controllers?
(Not sure many people will download and install an emulator and then compile the assembly source examples just for this)
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:56 pm
by Ashfall
CartoonDonkey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:02 pm
Handdemo2 only registering 8 directions here. @ashfall what do you have as far as controller / interface to the Mister?
Using the ultimate pc interface and an intellivision flashback controller I'm only seeing eight directions register: Going slowly around the disc with handdemo2 running, starting at the top, you should see the number 4 (N), continue clockwise pressing the outer edge of the disc ..you will then see a 2 (NE) then a 0 (E), then a Uppercase E (SE), Uppercase C (S), Uppercase A (SW), 8 (W), 6 (NW) - so only 8 directions, not 16.
Maybe this needs to be checked against an actual Intellivision. I could have sworn more positions than that register.
Hrm... more info on this here: Possibly depends on the game?
https://atariage.com/forums/topic/169987-16-directions/
Here, I videoed it:
https://youtu.be/y9_YAaAX2fE
Shown in the video are the Retronic Design adapter and the 2600-daptor D9. Not shown is the Ultimate PC Interface which works exactly like the D9, with all 16 directions.
Maybe you should update the adapter's firmware?
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:00 pm
by Ashfall
Lightwave wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:13 pm
Maybe it would be useful to post the handdemo & handdemo2 ROMs here for everyone to test out their controllers?
(Not sure many people will download and install an emulator and then compile the assembly source examples just for this)
Handdemo1 and handdemo2 are attached. I had to change the extension of handdemo2 to .int for MiSTer to see it.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:08 am
by Lightwave
Ok, I had this working properly with 16 directions while testing in handdemo2.
Then somehow after doing a few other things, it has reverted to 8 directions and I cannot find a way to enable 16 directions again.
I've deleted all mapping configs for the controller and tried remapping from scratch, tried powering on MiSTer with and without controller plugged in, but no luck. It's quite maddening!
Again, this is with a 2600daptor D9 and original Intellivision controller (I've made sure to press 0 at power on to enable Intellivision controller mode on the D9).
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:48 am
by jordi
nice it got into official repo!!
looks like the IntelliVision has lot of homebrew:
http://www.indieretronews.com/search/la ... ELLIVISION
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:32 pm
by Ashfall
Lightwave wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:08 am
Ok, I had this working properly with 16 directions while testing in handdemo2.
Then somehow after doing a few other things, it has reverted to 8 directions and I cannot find a way to enable 16 directions again.
I've deleted all mapping configs for the controller and tried remapping from scratch, tried powering on MiSTer with and without controller plugged in, but no luck. It's quite maddening!
Again, this is with a 2600daptor D9 and original Intellivision controller (I've made sure to press 0 at power on to enable Intellivision controller mode on the D9).
My 2600daptor is flakey. Periodically keys 4,5,6 and the right half of the disc will all stop working. No amount of reboots/reconnects helps. Even moving it to a Windows PC the problem is there. After a while it starts working again, until it flakes out again. I have two of them, they both do the same thing. I just got a Retronic Design adapter, and it works fine. Will see if it's stable.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:37 pm
by Lightwave
Ashfall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:32 pm
Lightwave wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:08 am
Ok, I had this working properly with 16 directions while testing in handdemo2.
Then somehow after doing a few other things, it has reverted to 8 directions and I cannot find a way to enable 16 directions again.
I've deleted all mapping configs for the controller and tried remapping from scratch, tried powering on MiSTer with and without controller plugged in, but no luck. It's quite maddening!
Again, this is with a 2600daptor D9 and original Intellivision controller (I've made sure to press 0 at power on to enable Intellivision controller mode on the D9).
My 2600daptor is flakey. Periodically keys 4,5,6 and the right half of the disc will all stop working. No amount of reboots/reconnects helps. Even moving it to a Windows PC the problem is there. After a while it starts working again, until it flakes out again. I have two of them, they both do the same thing. I just got a Retronic Design adapter, and it works fine. Will see if it's stable.
Hmmm, very weird. I can't say I've had that issue (or any other problems) with the D9, it seems to work consistently for me with 2600 and Mega Drive controllers at least.
I should try my other adaptor now that you mentioned it and see if it behaves the same. And maybe updating the firmware as well, not sure if I'm on the latest.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:47 pm
by retroactive
This core is awesome, I'm really enjoying it.
I didn't know if anyone else noticed that in Dreadnaught Factor that the explosion effect when you destroy a ship doesn't correctly display as it does on real hardware? I know this is a known issue in emulation, but assumed that FPGA would properly emulate this, but it has the same issue of just the border flashing whereas the whole screen flashes on real hardware. I remember from the interview with Tom Loughry on the Intellivisionaries podcast that he mentioned this issue with emulators. If this is an inappropriate place/question to ask here, let me know and I'll delete it, but I was just curious about this, or even wondering if anyone was aware.
Thanks.
Re: Intellivision Core (INTV)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:41 pm
by Sarge
Might want to bring it up as an issue in the repository.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Intv_MiSTer/issues
I'm going to take a look at this core for sure. It's the one system that I haven't reobtained from my childhood yet, and I probably should.
